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« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2025, 08:21:28 pm »

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« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2025, 08:53:35 pm »

You know, I kind of wonder why there have been no new $50s printed for some years now. Could it be possible that all of the existing pre-Polymer $50 notes are fully replaced, or getting close to it?  If memory serves correctly, I still do see Polymer $50s in the AH* and AM* series from time to time.

Regarding the $100s, given I have seen GKW in the 5 million range twice in my hometown this year, and the possibility that GKY in the 3M range may have appeared in my province last summer or early this fall (if I get another GKY in that range, it will likely have made it to NL), we are quite close to the HJ* series and we may start seeing them in 2026, likely in the spring - but there will be a limited number of prefixes, probably limited to the last two reported L/M prefixes, HJB and HJD.  I have a feeling the vast majority of HJA, HJC, HJE and HJF are fully depleted, and HJG may also be a candidate for NL banks since there is still a very narrow range reported to this day.

Newfoundland banks seem to be struggling to deplete the Wilkins/Poloz signatures, but once the W/P notes are depleted, banks are probably not going to order as many new banknotes anymore.  Yes, we will see new prefixes, but likely just one per year - per denomination.
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« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2025, 03:01:57 pm »

It turns out that I got a fresh L/M $100 from the ATM today, and it was HJC in the 5 million range.  If I see another HJC in the same range, it's strongly probable that the HJ* series may finally have arrived to my province.

Also I got two fresh $10s from the same ATM and they were FFH in the 5 million range, from the previous signature combo.  It may be an indicator that the branch may be trying to release the $10 notes that were sitting in the vault for years, and it may strengthen the likelihood that $10 bills are now in the process of replacing the oldest $5s in Newfoundland circulation, as demand for $10 notes may be rebounding after three decades of lackluster demand.
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« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2025, 08:15:32 pm »

In the Ottawa Valley today, I received 5 HJM's and 1 HJF $100's while conducting farm business and I have yet to report these to the database.  I do realize that Newfoundland will not get the amount of banknotes which are available in Ontario.  But, I am so disappointed with the circulating $5 banknotes where I am still seeing plenty of the HBx series of prefixes which are so worn that the ATM's will not accept these banknotes in a deposit.  This is frustrating.  I do see a lot of INT through INZ but I wish the Banks send back the horrible HBx prefixes where the clear polymer substrate is clearly visible from the removed printing ink.  This way, we would see more IOx's series of prefixes across the country.

My thoughts, Whitenite
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« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2025, 07:18:41 pm »

I rarely see any HB* prefixes in St. John's now - but it's possible the oldest $5s are being replaced, but with $10 notes instead of $5 notes due to inflation.  The really old $5 notes may likely have to be deposited through commercial banking, or over the counter transactions.  I also wonder if the banks are not ordering any new $5 bills due to the potential of closing down branches in the coming years, and banks in Newfoundland are likely not ordering any new $5 bills until the closures are completed? Or could demand for $5 notes be in decline in my province, and the banks may be sending back the worn out $5s and writing them off due to overall lack of demand for cash now? Or, could demand for toonies have leveled off after years of decline, and there is no need to replace any toonies with $5 bills now in my province?

It's also possible that the only $5 bills that will be replaced will probably be the most recent new prefixes when they are due to be replaced in some years time.  $5 bills are absolutely needed in order for cashiers to provide change - stores cannot afford to order $2 coins since they have to be ordered by the roll (costing $50).

I feel as if the Scotiabank ATMs now dispense $10 bills because the vast majority of $5 bills are worn out and unfit for ATMs, and also I suspect that demand for $5 bills has fallen in recent years, and demand for $10 bills may be on the rebound now due to inflation.  As time goes by, there may be fewer and fewer $5 notes and the number of $10 bills may end up at levels not seen since the 1980s.  For now, there are still plenty of $5 notes in circulation, if they're the same ones juggling around for many, many years.

I wonder if high cost to order new $5 notes is preventing the newest $5 notes from appearing in my province?
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« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2025, 09:32:14 pm »

I rarely see any HB* prefixes in St. John's now - but it's possible the oldest $5s are being replaced, but with $10 notes instead of $5 notes due to inflation.  The really old $5 notes may likely have to be deposited through commercial banking, or over the counter transactions.  I also wonder if the banks are not ordering any new $5 bills due to the potential of closing down branches in the coming years, and banks in Newfoundland are likely not ordering any new $5 bills until the closures are completed? Or could demand for $5 notes be in decline in my province, and the banks may be sending back the worn out $5s and writing them off due to overall lack of demand for cash now? Or, could demand for toonies have leveled off after years of decline, and there is no need to replace any toonies with $5 bills now in my province?

It's also possible that the only $5 bills that will be replaced will probably be the most recent new prefixes when they are due to be replaced in some years time.  $5 bills are absolutely needed in order for cashiers to provide change - stores cannot afford to order $2 coins since they have to be ordered by the roll (costing $50).

I feel as if the Scotiabank ATMs now dispense $10 bills because the vast majority of $5 bills are worn out and unfit for ATMs, and also I suspect that demand for $5 bills has fallen in recent years, and demand for $10 bills may be on the rebound now due to inflation.  As time goes by, there may be fewer and fewer $5 notes and the number of $10 bills may end up at levels not seen since the 1980s.  For now, there are still plenty of $5 notes in circulation, if they're the same ones juggling around for many, many years.

I wonder if high cost to order new $5 notes is preventing the newest $5 notes from appearing in my province?

Where I live (Toronto, ON). I'm starting to see less HB* prefixes in my area and I mostly see IN* prefixes in my area now and occasionally I see HC* prefixes. Recently IOB prefixes have been popping up in Toronto and I found 2, entered it in the database so there's 8 reported IOB prefixes in the SNDB. I bank with Scotiabank and I saw that they swapped out the $5s slots in favors of $10s in all Scotiabank ATM. Not a big fan of this as I prefer $5s but I don't care much.

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« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2025, 06:26:49 am »

Well, where I live I see (slightly) more HC* prefixes than IN* prefixes. As much as I like $10 bills, I would hate to see most of the $5 bills replaced with $10s as my interest in $5s has grown greatly since the launch of printer letter I, and the IO* series is where it gets even better.

And just for the record, I did notice an INR entered into the SNDB by someone in Newfoundland that is in the mid-1 million range.  Plus, I did see two, maybe three INRs in that range in my change in the last many months. I am thinking we are stuck on the L/M prefixes in Newfoundland (but I see far more W/P and W/M varieties combined than L/M), and it could be possible that the newer bills are only being released in very, very tiny quantities at a time (cost to order them may have increased), but still no fresh R/M $5s where I live to this day. I am thinking it's more a case of banks wanting to focus more on the higher denominations and less on the $5s.
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« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2025, 08:45:15 pm »

I rarely see any HB* prefixes in St. John's now - but it's possible the oldest $5s are being replaced, but with $10 notes instead of $5 notes due to inflation.  The really old $5 notes may likely have to be deposited through commercial banking, or over the counter transactions.  I also wonder if the banks are not ordering any new $5 bills due to the potential of closing down branches in the coming years, and banks in Newfoundland are likely not ordering any new $5 bills until the closures are completed? Or could demand for $5 notes be in decline in my province, and the banks may be sending back the worn out $5s and writing them off due to overall lack of demand for cash now? Or, could demand for toonies have leveled off after years of decline, and there is no need to replace any toonies with $5 bills now in my province?

It's also possible that the only $5 bills that will be replaced will probably be the most recent new prefixes when they are due to be replaced in some years time.  $5 bills are absolutely needed in order for cashiers to provide change - stores cannot afford to order $2 coins since they have to be ordered by the roll (costing $50).

I feel as if the Scotiabank ATMs now dispense $10 bills because the vast majority of $5 bills are worn out and unfit for ATMs, and also I suspect that demand for $5 bills has fallen in recent years, and demand for $10 bills may be on the rebound now due to inflation.  As time goes by, there may be fewer and fewer $5 notes and the number of $10 bills may end up at levels not seen since the 1980s.  For now, there are still plenty of $5 notes in circulation, if they're the same ones juggling around for many, many years.

I wonder if high cost to order new $5 notes is preventing the newest $5 notes from appearing in my province?

The Bank of Canada distributes new notes if the population demands it.  Large population centres get more cash deliveries because there are more people who use it.  Smaller communities don't go through cash nearly as quickly as large cities do.

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« Reply #68 on: November 26, 2025, 05:36:55 pm »

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The Bank of Canada distributes new notes if the population demands it.  Large population centres get more cash deliveries because there are more people who use it.  Smaller communities don't go through cash nearly as quickly as large cities do.

To be clearer:  Here is an AI generated logistics of what happens to a Banknote from printing to reaching the hand's of a customer ....

Here is the step-by-step logistics chain for how a newly issued Canadian bank note travels from the printing press to a customer’s hand. This process is well-established and does not require time-sensitive data.
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🇨🇦 Lifecycle of a Newly Issued Canadian Bank Note
From CBNC → Bank of Canada → Distribution Network → Bank Branch → Customer
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1. Printing at Canadian Bank Note Company (CBNC)
•   CBNC manufactures polymer sheets, prints security features, applies holograms, raises ink, etc.
•   Notes are cut, quality-checked, counted, and shrink-wrapped into bundles (typically: 1,000 notes per bundle, 10 bundles per brick).
•   Each brick is bar-coded and registered to maintain traceability.
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2. Secure Transport to the Bank of Canada (BoC) – Currency Operations
•   CBNC ships finished notes via armoured transport under strict security.
•   Notes do not enter circulation yet—they go to the Bank of Canada’s secured currency facility.
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3. Receipt and Verification by the Bank of Canada
At the BoC currency operations centre, the following occur:
1.   Authentication of batches against production records
2.   Random destructive testing (durability, security feature validation)
3.   Inventory entry into the national currency stock
4.   Storage in high-security vaults until requested by financial institutions
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4. Requests from Financial Institutions (Banks & Credit Unions)
Banks do not print money; they order it from the BoC.
A bank submits:
•   Quantity needed (based on projected cash demand)
•   Denominations needed
•   Delivery location (usually a cash distribution centre)
The BoC approves and schedules deliveries.
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5. Armoured-Car Delivery to Bank Cash Distribution Centres
The Bank of Canada releases notes to contracted armoured-car companies.
Notes are delivered to:
•   Cash processing centres owned by large banks
•   Regional armoured-car vaults that serve many institutions
These centres manage:
•   Sorting
•   Storing
•   Re-bundling for shipments to individual branches or ATMs
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6. Sorting, Handling & Deployment to Branches (or ATMs)
Cash centres prepare shipments for each branch based on:
•   Typical weekly demand
•   Expected seasonal spikes (holidays, paydays)
•   Large business customer requests
Bundles/bricks are sealed and logged.
Armoured trucks deliver these sealed packages to bank branches.
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7. Bank Branch Receives Cash Shipment
At the branch:
•   Deliveries are logged into the branch’s cash inventory system
•   Notes are placed directly into vaults or ATM cassettes
•   Tellers withdraw bundles to stock their tills as needed
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8. Customer Receives the Bank Note
This can happen in two main ways:
A. From a Teller
1.   Customer withdraws cash
2.   Teller authenticates the notes (visually & by touch)
3.   Teller hands the customer newly issued notes
B. From an ATM
1.   ATM is loaded with cassettes containing new notes
2.   Customer makes withdrawal
3.   ATM dispenses notes directly into the customer’s hands
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End Result: The Note Enters Active Circulation
The bank note is now part of the circulating currency pool and will:
•   Move between consumers, stores, and banks
•   Eventually return to a branch or cash centre
•   Be checked for fitness
•   And ultimately be destroyed by the Bank of Canada when no longer suitable for use


And to go further ....

🇨🇦 Why Eastern Provinces See Fewer Newly Issued Bank Notes
1. Cash demand is much higher in central and western Canada

The Bank of Canada distributes new banknotes according to demand.
Most cash volume moves through:

Ontario (largest population, biggest economy)

Quebec

Alberta & British Columbia (high business cash turnover)

Because these regions withdraw and return much larger quantities of cash, they exhaust their stock of older notes more quickly, prompting:

More frequent shipments

More frequent introduction of new notes

Atlantic provinces have lower total cash demand, so older notes remain in circulation for longer before banks need new stock.

2. Banks prioritize “fit notes” over “brand new notes”

Banks aren’t required to give out fresh-from-the-mint notes.
Their criteria are:

Is the note authentic?

Is it fit for circulation?

Atlantic Canada returns fewer notes overall to cash-processing centres, so:

Notes remain in acceptable condition for longer

There is less need to supply “fresh bricks” of new bills

Cash centres continue recirculating older notes

3. Fewer cash distribution centres in the East

Major cash distribution hubs are concentrated in:

Toronto

Montreal

Vancouver

Calgary

The eastern provinces rely on fewer, smaller vaults.
This creates effects such as:

Larger batch sizes

Less frequent restocking

Longer cycles before inventory turnover

By the time new notes are pushed out from central inventory, most go to regions with faster turnover first. The East receives them last.

4. Less ATM and retail cash turnover

ATMs and retail businesses in Atlantic Canada generally:

Handle smaller volumes

Refill ATMs less frequently

Deposit less worn cash to be destroyed

Circulate notes for longer periods

Because ATMs in the East often use recycled fit notes, they don’t need a fresh supply as often.

5. Geography + logistics = slower cycling of notes

Transport routes from the BoC’s primary cash facilities run:

Central Canada → West

Central Canada → Atlantic

But because the Atlantic region accounts for a small percentage of total Canadian banknote flow, distribution cycles are longer, and it takes time for newly issued series to diffuse across lower-volume routes.

In short:

Eastern provinces don’t see new Canadian banknotes as often because:

✔ Lower cash demand
✔ Fewer notes being withdrawn from circulation
✔ Fewer (and smaller) cash-processing centres
✔ Longer logistical cycles
✔ Strong reliance on recirculated “fit” notes rather than new notes
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« Reply #69 on: November 26, 2025, 05:42:29 pm »

And since my first post was so long .... adds this in my last ...

1️⃣ How the Bank of Canada Allocates New Notes Geographically

The Bank of Canada does not “send new notes evenly” across the country.
Instead, allocation is based on demand patterns reported by commercial banks, which depends on:

A. Cash demand volume

Regions with higher withdrawal needs (Ontario, Quebec, BC, Alberta) get:

More shipments

More frequent orders

Faster depletion of existing stock

Because these regions “burn through” their inventory faster, they receive new notes more often.

B. Fitness levels of notes returned from circulation

Commercial banks send worn notes to cash processing centres.
If a region returns more unfit notes, the Bank of Canada must replace them with new ones.

Atlantic Canada returns:

Fewer notes

Less worn notes

Smaller total volumes

→ Therefore, fewer replacements = fewer new notes shipped.

C. Inventory turnover at regional cash centres

Large centres (Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Vancouver) turn inventory over quickly.
Smaller centres in the East hold inventory much longer before needing fresh bricks of notes.

2️⃣ How Often Cash Rotation (Note Replacement) Happens Across Regions

The frequency that old notes are replaced by new ones depends on how fast notes cycle in and out of the banking system.

High-rotation regions

Ontario, Quebec, BC, Alberta

Constant ATM loading and unloading

Large retail cash volume

Frequent deposits of worn notes

Notes cycle quickly and get replaced often
= Many new notes released each year

Medium-rotation regions

Manitoba, Saskatchewan

Moderate ATM and retail use

Occasional large cash inflows (events, agriculture seasons)
= New notes appear, but not constantly

Low-rotation regions

Atlantic provinces: NS, NB, PEI, NL

Lower cash usage per capita

ATMs often refill with “fit” notes instead of new ones

Smaller, less frequent shipments

Old notes linger in circulation for long periods
= New notes appear very gradually

In extreme cases, a new series might be common in Toronto within weeks
but takes months to a few years to become common in the East.

3️⃣ Why Certain Denominations Reach the East Slower (especially $50 and $100)

This effect is strongest for the higher-value denominations.

A. Higher denominations circulate less overall

$50 and $100 bills move slowly because:

Fewer retail transactions use them

ATMs in many regions don’t dispense $50s

Consumers deposit them back into banks quickly

When circulation is slow, East Coast branches don’t need replacements often.

B. Atlantic ATMs dispense mostly $20s

The $20 is the backbone of Canadian ATM networks.
In many Atlantic provinces:

ATMs dispense only $20s or a mix of $20s and $5s

They rarely require new $50/$100 stock

So, new high-value notes simply aren’t ordered as frequently.

C. Business cash usage is different

Western Canada and the GTA have:

Higher cash turnover

More cash-heavy businesses

Casinos, tourist hubs, and large retail operations that move high denominations
Atlantic provinces have fewer large-volume cash businesses.

Because $50s and $100s cycle slower, new series enter the East last.

D. Smaller vaults = slower inventory cycling

If a vault in Halifax or St. John’s receives a pallet containing $100s, it might not open a fresh pallet for months—meaning older inventory is issued first.

Larger vaults in Montreal or Toronto go through pallets much faster.

✅ Summary
Why new notes appear later in the East:

Lower cash demand

Smaller distribution centres

Less frequent shipments

Lower circulation speed

Higher denominations rarely needed

ATMs recycle existing notes rather than requesting new ones

All of this results in Atlantic Canada naturally seeing fewer newly-printed banknotes, especially early in a series release.
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« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2025, 02:23:39 pm »

This is a great summary (thanks!)

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« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2025, 08:55:08 pm »

Hey All,

In furtherance of this thread/conversation I wanted to share an observation that I have made over time about the fact that when I go to a bank branch in Toronto that has an incredibly high turnover of notes.  I often obtain long runs of a particular prefix but the serial numbers always change after a small series of notes making it frustrating if you are one or two digits away from a special serial number.  What I have come to notice is that what is in common with all these small numerical runs grouped together is they all have the same FPN/BPN and as I am not familiar with the cutting/stacking process when the notes are printed wanted to ask others about how this happens.

TIA Breanna
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« Reply #72 on: December 02, 2025, 05:59:47 am »

Based on the information provided about why new banknotes usually get distributed to Atlantic Canada last, and the reason being lower demand and lasting longer as a result, the tidbit about "gradually released" interests me, and Atlantic Canada only gets to see a tiny amount of new banknotes at a time, probably just once a year.  But ironically, this doesn't seem to apply to $10 bills out my way, as I saw two rounds - in 2023 (FFL and FFM) and 2025 (FFN) - of new $10s and they came in great quantities in various small ranges.  It's almost like the $10 bill is rebounding in demand (at least in Newfoundland) and the $5 may now be starting to decline.  Regarding new banknotes, the trickling effect seems to happen with $20s, $50s and $100s in my province, but I still have yet to see a new R/M $5 note to date.  I really hope INR in the mid-1 million range did come to my province in some capacity, and if it did, the $5s are being released to Newfoundland in very tiny quantities, and maybe I might see the R/M $5s for the first time next spring.  Based on having seen an new HJC $100 pretty recently, and the lack of L/M $20s in my province to date, I feel as if new banknotes now take three years to finally arrive to my province, and it just goes to show that cash is not needed as greatly in my province these days.
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« Reply #73 on: December 02, 2025, 02:38:38 pm »

Atlantic Canada only gets to see a tiny amount of new banknotes at a time, probably just once a year. 

$5s are being released to Newfoundland in very tiny quantities,

I feel as if new banknotes now take three years to finally arrive to my province, and it just goes to show that cash is not needed as greatly in my province these days.

It would be interesting if you took a road trip around Newfoundland and stopped in various places--larger communities and smaller ones-- to withdraw a few banknotes.
Then you could see the distribution pattern of new banknotes more clearly throughout your province.

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« Reply #74 on: December 02, 2025, 04:37:47 pm »

Hey AJG, 

I have offered before and will offer again.  When I go branch hopping in the City of Toronto, I am consistently getting runs of new issues and would happily send whatever you may be looking for to you for face value plus postage.  I have one branch that for some reason seems to get large quantities of every new prefix.  I know that the branch is in a high retail area, but it is also a high income area and I honestly wonder if that has anything to do with it.  I just got a nice run of INZ and have a few very nice IOB if you are interested.  Also really curious the type of community you are in:  rural? small town?  Cheers, Breanna
 

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